Posts by Sea Breeze

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Loyd has made a statement on Facebook

by pistolpete in

here is a copy of loyd's facebook latest comment.

https://m.facebook.com/lloydevanscedars/posts/346085697519910.

Sea Breeze

On point 3a on his FB post he states: "I am not a criminal".

Yet he states that the sex workers that he met there (3b) were all in their 20's or older. He's missing the point. All prostitution for sex workers and their customers is illegal there!

Today, under the 1996 Prevention and Suppression of Prostitution Act, prostitution is prohibited. A person soliciting sex may receive a 1,000 baht ($27) fine. Pimps face a 20,200 baht ($555) fine and could be imprisoned for one to ten years. The Act addresses child sex trafficking as well. Customers who have intercourse with children under 15 years old face a 120,000 baht ($3,300) fine and between two to six years in prison. The fine is decreased to 60,000 baht ($1,650) and the prison time to one to three years if the trafficked child is between 15 and 18 years old.

Prostitution is illegal in Croatia too! Not a Criminal Lloyd?

In the Ukraine, state-run orphanages release 15 year old boys and girls with $150.00. Girls go into prostitution and boys go into drug dealing many times because they have no where to go. It is heart wrenching to see the ruined lives. A lot of those prostitutes end up in Croatia.

I know because I have personally been involved in helping get some of these boys and girls into Christian homes and integrated with normal families.

The charity I have been supporting is Baptist Slavic Mission. They have planted nearly 100 small congregation-led churches there since the 1970's. We built additions to three homes of pastors so that they could take in 10 orphans each so that they could have a shot at a normal family and have children themselves one day and raise them with love.

I know its not much....but it is something. This is a huge problem in our world. Perhaps Mr. Evans should go and visit some of the orphanages where some of his prostitutes doubtless come from. But, hey..... it's not his little girls right?

Utter selfishness.

Prostitution is not a victimless crime.

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Loyd has made a statement on Facebook

by pistolpete in

here is a copy of loyd's facebook latest comment.

https://m.facebook.com/lloydevanscedars/posts/346085697519910.

Sea Breeze

It is looking more and more like Thailand, Phucket included is a pedophile paradise:

Thailand's Chulalongkorn University estimated 2.8 million sex workers, of which 1.98 million were adult women, 20,000 were adult men and 800,000 were children

In Thailand, traffickers buys girls in the rural areas for a little as $3000 from their parents.

This should not be the face on anti-watchtower activism.

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"A thousand years as one day"

by Awakened07 in

the scripture saying: "...one day is with the lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

" (2. peter 3:8) is often used both by jehovah's witnesses and others, to show that a day can literally mean a thousand years in the eyes of god.

this is then used especially for the creation story, and for the fall of adam and eve.

Sea Breeze

The premise that God lives outside of time has become the predominant Christian paradigm. Open Theists believe that the future is not settled but open because God is alive, eternally free, and inexhaustibly creative. Perhaps God can exist in both? Many good points are made in this interesting friendly debate on the topic between Will Duffy and Matt Slick:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JCNPmLIOnDg&t=868s&ab_channel=BobEnyart

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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

by Newly Enlightened in

original reddit post (removed).

Sea Breeze

Thailand has the dubious distinction of being the world capitol of child sex tourism and child prostitution. These kids are kept in utter slavery through drugs and intimidation. It is a living hell for the most innocent among us - children. If this is his thing, then ANYONE ever watching his videos will be contributing to his VACATIONS and CRIMES against humanity.

This is the larger story here.

Someone alluded to this as a question during the live-stream video. They asked something like, "Don't they have prostitutes in Croatia"? He dismissed this question.

In other words, why spend a fortune going to Thailand unless you are looking for a specific type of prostitute.

It makes me wonder what Lloyd Evans was originally disfellowshipped for when he was an elder?

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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

by Newly Enlightened in

original reddit post (removed).

Sea Breeze

Looks like this is some sort of damage control to protect what will be left of his patronage.

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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

by Newly Enlightened in

original reddit post (removed).

Sea Breeze

He is talking a lot about suicide.... He doesn't look good.

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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

by Newly Enlightened in

original reddit post (removed).

Sea Breeze

Interesting. Taking shots of (what looks like) liquor while he bears his soul on live stream.

Bazaar. Hard to watch.... he should get some counseling.

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GB Says You Can Fellowship Without Being Reinstated

by Sea Breeze in

there is another way to fellowship with your loved ones after disagreeing with the wt besides getting reinstated.

all you have to do is fling yourself off a boat and start drowning, says watchtower:.

"suppose, then, a member of a christian congregation boating on a lake were to see another boat containing a disfellowshiped person capsize, throwing the disfellowshiped one into the water where he struggled to stay afloat.

Sea Breeze

There is another way to fellowship with your loved ones after disagreeing with the WT besides getting reinstated.

All you have to do is fling yourself off a boat and start drowning, says Watchtower:

"Suppose, then, a member of a Christian congregation boating on a lake were to see another boat containing a disfellowshiped person capsize, throwing the disfellowshiped one into the water where he struggled to stay afloat. Could the Christian ignore that one’s peril, row away and feel free from guilt before God—inasmuch as the one in danger of drowning was disfellowshiped, viewed as “a man of the nations”? Certainly not. That would be cruel and inhumane."

- w74 8/1 p. 467

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What is your IQ? Does it Matter?

by Sea Breeze in

jw
friends

i had an aunt that had rheumatic fever as a child and only had an iq the high 70's.

but, absolutely no one was able to bs her on an emotional level.

she had an uncanny ability to see through people's bs.

Sea Breeze

I had an aunt that had rheumatic fever as a child and only had an IQ the high 70's. But, absolutely no one was able to BS her on an emotional level. She had an uncanny ability to see through people's BS. Yea, she didn't get some jokes. But, she was the first one to tell me straight up that the problem with our family was that there wasn't much love in it. Funny how no one else figured that out. I come from a 3 & 4 gen JW family on both sides respectively.

Anyway, I truly enjoyed being around her. Sometimes she played dumb to get a reaction out of you. Other times she really didn't get something. But, you were never quite sure which was which; she always kept you guessing with that twinkle in her eye. That together with a sense of humor made her interesting and dear to me.

The rest of my JW family wrote her off as an idiot and couldn't wait to get her into a nursing home. When that day came, I wasn't notified. When I finally became aware of it I called her doctor and had quite a long conversation with him. He told me I was the first relative of hers that sounded normal. Of course, the rest of the family had "normal" IQ's I'm sure. But, multi-generational cult involvement takes its toll.

My JW relatives tried to force the nursing home not to let us see her because they were shunning us (we were attending a church by that time). Several JW's were running the place. I told them that I would have the police there with the news media if they tried ANY crap whatsoever. They backed down.

JW relatives rarely went to see her, most never did... did I mention that she spoke her mind? That characteristic doesn't fare well In OZ.

Anyway. My wife and kids and I would make the 450 mile round trip to see her regularly. One time we busted her out of the nursing home to go see grandpas grave and get some ice cream. They sent a nurse along with us to help with the wheel chair and in case of 'accidents' if you know what I mean.

We had a grand time, and laughed a lot. The wheel chair got away from me a bit on a hill at the cemetery. She was scared and loving it all at the same time. I miss her.

I dated a girl once that had so many gifts that it would take a whole paragraph to describe. I tested at an IQ of 125. But she told me that when she tested they refused to tell her the result because they didn't want it to go to her head. It was truly amazing the gifts that she had in math, art and music. I watched her solve a math problem once that took up a whole chalk board while holding a mentally disabled child on her hip that was periodically throwing up on her. She was just laughing it all off as she solved for X. It was surreal.

But, I was still infected with WT theology and I guess her high IQ prompted her to get out after a few months into the relationship. Or, maybe her mother had something to do with it.

Anyway, sorry for the rambling. What are your thoughts on the topic?

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Facing Reality - It's a Death Cult (Romans 6: 7 Examined)

by Sea Breeze in

watchtower view on romans 6: 7 examined .

the watchtower teaches that the opportunity to be born again and enjoy complete justification with god ended in 1935, having been limited to only 144k since pentecost.

so, it is very surprising that the watchtower embraces the death that is described in romans chapter 6, since this is the very death that is required to be born again…… which is denied to watchtower members!

Sea Breeze

JW's will bet their entire life on a false understanding of Romans 6: 7. They take it out of context and imagine that when they die (literally) they get a clean slate.

The WT itself says differently in w85 12/1 p. 11 :

While still living in the flesh, these “righteous ones” undergo a symbolic death. The apostle Paul explains: ...Therefore we were buried with him through our baptism into his death, .. . . because we know that our old personality was impaled with him ...For he who has died has been acquitted from his sin.”—Romans 6:2-7.

The word "acquitted should read "freed" because dead bodies can't sin anymore. That is the thought here. But all the same, the WT admits this is not talking about a physical death.

So then, Why do JW's stubbornly hang on to a doctrine of self-atonement?